Loser (album, progressive/symphonic rock)

Hey all,

after what feels like way too long, I finally finished my new album, “Loser”, more than a year after R U There? came out. It’s available on my own Faircamp instance, and for purchase on both Bandcamp and Mirlo.

It in part borrows the conceptual approach of “R U There?”, as where that album was a collection of emotions starting with the letter ‘R’, in “Loser” all songs start with an ‘L’ instead: the ‘L’ of “Loser”. If you buy the album on Bandcamp, there will be a bonus track too, called “Luck of the Draw”. A pathetic attempt to try and boost sales, I know :joy: I’ll probably share that song somehow for everyone to hear in the future, but for the moment it made sense to do it that way.

When it comes to the production of the album, as I explained when sharing Luminaires as a single (which is is part of this album too), a lot changed in my workflow since my latest album, which ended up changing a lot not only in how I composed/recorded/mixed everything, but also in how the album sounded.

Guitars and basses are now played using a second-hand Kemper I bought from a friend last year, which took a while to accustomize to. I think I still don’t understand much of it, but I like the flexibility it gave me, and the change in how I thought of guitar processing. I think the bass in particular benefited from the change, as it didn’t really have much space in the last album unfortunately.

Drums were another big change. Historically, how drums sounded was always something people critiqued about my work, which made sense. After some time of research and many experiments, I landed on the Tchimera kit by Michael Willis, which I think was an amazing choice. Again, it took some time to figure out how to use it properly, but I think it ended up sounding great in an album that crosses so many different genres. And, considering I’m also using Dragonfly Reverb and based my orchestral Ardour template on his, I’m starting to think Michael’s work is probably the most important in my music workflow!

Last but not least, though, the biggest change was in the orchestral libraries. I talked a lot in the past about the orchestral workflow I used so far, which saw its “summa” in “R U There?” with a blend of Virtual Playing Orchestra and BBC Symphony Orchestra Discover. That sounded fine, IMHO, but as I said in my FOSDEM presentation, I really wanted to give Musescore 4, and Muse Sounds in particular, a try too. And the moment I did, well, I have no problem saying I was actually blown away. It sounded orders of magnitude better than anything I had managed to do until then. It stirred creative juices inside me, and after I started digging more in four-part harmony, I started getting results I liked a lot. “Luminaires” was the first of those experiments, and I’m still excited about how it came out.

Long story short, all those changes had a big impact on the process of working on the album. It of course meant more time to actually work on it, since there were many roadblocks due to those many changes that impacted my usual composition “routine”. It also meant the album ended up becoming way more orchestral than I had originally planned, with guitars often getting in the background, or not there at all. It’s a more melancholic album, and less heavy than anything I’ve shared so far: I think there’s maybe only one “metal” song. The rest are much more in the vein of progressive rock, symphonic rock, or basically orchestral/world music. That said, guitars are very much there: maybe less virtuoso than usual, but I’m happy with the solos I added there.

It’s also the first album where I played more than just guitars or bass. One track in particular has me playing the chromatic harmonica, which came out way better than I thought. I wanted to play the flute too, as I’ve been taling lessons, but admittedly I’m still not to the point where I can do it convincingly: so the solo flute parts you’ll head are actully from Muse Sounds too.

One thing that didn’t change, of course, is Ardour! I used Ardour 9 for mixing and mastering.

I think that’s all. I honestly hope you’ll enjoy this album: there’s a few songs I can’t wait to hear your feedback about, as they’re dear and close to my heart. As usual, please do let me know your feedback about it, both good and bad: with so many things changing from the past, I want to know what worked and what didn’t, and if the songs came out as nicely as I hoped.

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Just gave it a complete once-through and I’ve got to say it sounds great.

My first thoughts: the piano in the Intro/Loser can’t possibly be MuseSounds can it? How did you do that?

I’ve been trying to incorporate MuseScore composition into some of my music, so this is quite inspiring. I’ll look forward to a revised FOSDEM presentation on your MuseSounds workflow. :slight_smile:

The guitar in the 2nd half of Languor jumped out. The playing and the tone are just absolutely freaking perfect. Tell me something about that.

And Luck of the Draw? Totally worth it for the Rockers out there :metal:

Rock On,
-Manuel

Ciao Manuel, thank you so much for listening and for purchasing it too, I really didn’t expext this would happen :scream:

You’re right, that’s not MuseScore! It’s the Noct-Salamander version of the Accurate-Salamander project, a free collection of samples of exceptional (IMHO) quality. Noct-Salamander in particular is meant to be softer, and I ended up using it pretty much everywhere in the album, I think (IIRC only the piano in Lighthouse uses Accurate-Salamander itself). Since it’s in Sforzando (SFZ) format, I used sfizz as a plugin, and the “recommended” version in the daw folder.

I’ll have to think how to present that, as there isn’t much to say. In terms of scoring it is much easier, as you do everything in MuseScore itself, and articulation changes are not a problem either (as it was in VPO and BBCSO, as I explained at FOSDEM) since you can do them as part of the score. The preview you get is the “end result” out of the box, which makes working on the score much more effective: you immediately understand if it works or not, and balancing the dynamics (at least for the orchestral part) can be done there too. This makes it simpler than my previous approach, where the preview would give me a hint of whether or not things could work, but I’d have to wait until it was imported in Ardour and rendered via sfizz/VPO and/or BBCSO to be sure.

The main issue with Muse Sounds is that it works in MuseScore alone: you cannot use those libraries outside of that. This meant I worked entirely in MuseScore for scoring (not a big deal, it’s what I did already), and when I was happy with the result, I exported the separate tracks to separate audio FLAC files. I then imported those tracks, as audio files, in my updated Ardour template. This was the key difference from my previous VPO approach, where I would import the MIDI instead, with rendering done via sfizz in Ardour itself.

This was cumbersome mostly due to the fact I used rallentando and ritardando a lot in MuseScore, which meant exporting some MIDI anyway (e.g., piano or something else) so that I could “align” the two in terms on MIDI tempo: considering some tracks would be MIDI (e.g., piano) and the orchestra would be already rendered audio, it would have meant out-of-sync tracks otherwise. I had to use a nightly build of Ardour for that, as 9.7 would crash with many tempo changes close to each other.

There’s also the problem that, considering I would be importing audio tracks, any change in composition or instrument part would mean getting back to MuseScore and export+import again. At the end of the day, it worked fine because I always stick to MuseScore first until I’m happy with at least 95% of the composition (so before I get to the DAW I already have pretty good “scaffolding”) but it definitely isn’t the most comfortable way to work with virtual instruments. Apparently there are third-party efforts to use Muse Sounds outside of MuseScore too, considering that under the hood it’s basically custom SFZ, but that seems to come at a price of less realism, and the effort doesn’t seem very updated either, looking at the repo.

Ah, I’m glad to hear you say that, as I spent a lot of time looking for the right profile here! While most of guitars were recorded using a Marshall Super Lead kind of amp (MB - 72 Mars Lead 50) for rhythm and a few solos, and a Lukater-ish profile for a few other solos (TD - Ste Luk), for Languor in particular I wanted a different kind of sound, which would be closer to a Gary Moore or Latimer tone in their most emotional songs (and Gary Moore definitely was the biggest influence in that track). The profile I ended up using was “BM - B&H Filmo crunch”, with a bit of boosting.

All the profiles I mentioned are free, and part of the packs you can download on the Kemper website.

I’m glad you liked “Luck of the Draw”! It’s one of the first songs I wrote, but it eventually fell off the tracklist as it didn’t really fit the rest of the songs I started working on as Muse Sounds “took over”. That said, I really liked it despite it being a completely different vibe, which is why I ended up adding it anyway, even as a bonus track. And I’m glad you got to hear it, thanks again for supporting me!

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Ciao @befloibent, I eventually did write a blog post that extends the FOSDEM presentation with my new experiments on MuseSounds. It’s basically what I wrote in my response above, but of course much more detailed, so I hope it will be of help!

https://blog.lminiero.it/virtual-orchestration-pt2/

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Thanks for writing down this useful info.
Myself I’m also partially in composing orchestra music (as a side interest), so I will carefully study this during my vacation next 2 weeks (naturalmente in Italia)

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@peter.zenk looking forward to your feedback!

Congrats on the release, Lorenzo :metal: Nice one.

It sounds good and the arrangements carry each tune along nicely. Some really awesome proggy as fuck progressions going on their too coupled with some smooth guitar work. So yeah - nice one :metal:

Symphonic stuff really isn’t my cup of tea so I don’t have anything more meaningful to add but, nevertheless, for what it’s worth I think you’ve done a great job at putting together an interesting album that moves well and will no doubt go down mega well with people who enjoy this type of composition.

Thanks @willy_dinglefinger, I’m glad you enjoyed it even though it’s not really your genre!