Podcasting /audio documentary with clip-lists

Ok, so back in This thread I asked about clip lists for when editing radio-documentary/features with ardour.
I got the good advice to bounce to sources-list. Now I have been trying this workflow for a new project, and it so far it’s working out quite OK.

I am tidying my raw-“tape”, selecting the various bits to use later and bouncing to sources-list, so I can drop them in to montage later.
And in doing this, I have discovered two features I’d like to request, or hear about the possibility of implementing:

  1. the files I bounce stop being draggable. I understand how this comes about, but would love to have it so that they still refer back to the main-tape, so they remain “non destructive”/draggable.
  2. the ability to sort the files in the sources-list/move the order around.

Maybe the functions I wish for are better suited for a sort of “custom-rages”-list?

The Sources list is actually a list of files used within the session, and so unless you really have a 1-to-1 correspondence between files and clips, this is not the list to be thinking about. We also do not allow you to rename files in this way.

However, the Regions list seems rather close to what you want. I suspect the issue is that it gets too cluttered?

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Thanks for the response, Paul!

It will forever be one of the coolest things, that you guys are so helpful and on here taking the time to respond and help. Much appreciated!

My gripe with the Regions list is indeed that it gets way to cluttered for this specific use case, as it doesn’t seem to have “awareness of redundancy” built in.

Every time I “consolidate range” the consolidated range shows up in Regions list, but then a new copy will appear in the list every time I drag the consolidated range from the Regions list to the tracks. Like “forrest-sound intro” will then be “forrest sound intro.1” “forrest sound intro.2” etc.
And I still cannot “drag” the ends of the range, by this method. - Am I using the Regions list wrong perchance? - is there another, more tidy way to add the selected ranges to it?

To me, at the moment at least, Regions list seems to work in a somewhat similar way to Sources list. But the Sources list at least lets me make partial new files from regions, that I can den drag in and reuse time and time again - even after I’ve deleted the master tape from the tracks (still keeping it in the list) without cluttering the list of bits I might want to add to the montage.

My wish is for a function that would behave like the Sources list - mostly (in that any regions added would only appear once, like sources) - but in a way that let me add regions to the list in a non-destructive manner.
That way, one could import two or three long pieces of different tape to sources list, put the raw-tape on the tracks, find the ranges that would be good to use, bounce/send them to this list, remove the raw-tape from the tracks and then start bringing in the various selected regions while still being able to adjust the pre-and post runs of a chosen clip to make the editing more fluent.

for anybody following this thread (if any?)
I just discovered that the sorting is already accessible in the Sources-list. I thought I couldn’t rename tracks, but turns out it’s possible. Just double click an item in the sources-list, and rename. Now it’s much more easy to group different story-pieces and music together and then sort the list by name.

Hi, I am following this discussion with interest. I am a journalist for a European public radio station and I have been looking for some time for an Open source program that allows me to do complex edits with interviews music and background audio. My workflow is similar to yours: I need to select significant parts of long interviews in order to edit them later. In Ardour the solution of using sources seems to me the most effective. Can you give me some more insight into your workflow?
In general it seems to me that with a few tweaks like the ones you propose Ardour could become really attractive to producers and audio journalists. Other programs don’t have the same features, but the most important thing I think is really the ability to organize your own Sources.

Mat

Sure :slight_smile:
Glad to pass on any useful information - and glad to hear of others with the same usecase! Make sure to share what you produce with Ardour - no matter language - in the “Made With Ardour”-category!

My workflow:
I usually import my tape into Ardour directly into the timeline.
In “View” I choose “Editor List” (Ctrl + L)

Then I start listening to my tapes and with range-mode active, I select clips that i proceed to bounce to sources-list (select region - right-click - choose “Bounce - NB: without processing” and name the region).

I then use alphabetical and numerical naming to organize my sources-list - so I get clips about one main topic named like “A - topic 1.1” “A - topic 1.2” - then “B - topic 1.1” etc.
So I can navigate a large amount of tape.

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I wonder how much of this approach to cutting and selecting material — Thomas Grove Carter Final Cut Pro X - Editing at the speed of thought at FCPX World, London. on Vimeo — could be applied to Ardour after some programming (with adjustment from video to audio domain, of course).

@paul or anyone with the know-how - after updating to Ardour 7.1 I’ve lost the ability to rename sources after bouncing them to Sources-list, under Windows 10. It works under Linux.
I really miss that feature, can it please come back?