Does anyone use Waves plugins in Ardour?


(Wallabeez) #1

I’ve read conflicting things about the stability of using Waves/VST plugins in Ardour. Can anyone tell me, relatively definitively, if they run smoothly in Ardour? Is there a particular build of Ardour or built of Ubuntu/Red Hat/etc that it works better in?

-m
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(Paul Davis) #2

You can’t use Waves plugins on Linux because they require the Pace iLok copy protection system, which doesn’t exist for linux. Without this requirement, they would probably work just fine. We have talked to Waves about this, its not impossible that one day iLok for Linux might emerge, but I would not hold your breath.


(Philipselah) #3

Well almost 3 yeats later.

Is ILOK and linux any closer?


If it ain’t runnin on A/V Linux…It ain’t runnin.

www.bandshed.net/AVLinux.html


(Seablade) #4

Nope

 Seablade

(Seablade) #5

Ok, means that you aren’t dealing with the iLok authentication. All teh waves plugins to my knowledge nowadays require an iLok dongle in order to work.

         Seablade

(Info) #6

seablade,

I don’t see any iLok logo or anything so it may predate that actually, it was part of one of them thar “Producer packs” so perhaps Waves and Steinberg worked out something…you know one of those axis of evil kind of things, it doesn’t run with a dongle or anything and it is pretty old but dang it sounds good! I don’t have any others to try. Barry’s Satan Maximizer is a close second…now that’s really evil.


(Seablade) #7
In a mood to push my luck I pulled out my Waves Renaissance Compressor Disc and installed it as well, using Wavelab in Wine I can run the Renaissance no probs, however if I try running it in FST it's a no go.

Is this with the iLok authorization, or did this predate that?

 Seablade

(Info) #8

Actually…

Somewhere around Wine 1.1.20 I was able to install and finally run my old Steinberg WaveLab 3.0 which putting any platform politics aside has yet to be improved upon as a Wave Editor/Mastering Utility IMO…but I digress,

In a mood to push my luck I pulled out my Waves Renaissance Compressor Disc and installed it as well, using Wavelab in Wine I can run the Renaissance no probs, however if I try running it in FST it’s a no go.

@Philip8888

Thanks for your enthusiastic support of AV Linux, I’m hoping you got my “thanks” e-mail awhile back.


(Philipselah) #9

Sweet…


(Ishu2296) #10

Hi all, I’m currently on v5 using Waves plugins but I can’t seem to find the Waves ReWire. I’m trying to use Tune but can’t since it won’t save anything without ReWire. Help!


(Paul Davis) #11

Adding comments to a thread that is more than 7 years old is not generally a good idea.

It isn’t clear from your question how this might have anything to do with Ardour. Do you have something in mind?


(Ishu2296) #12

My second option was creating a new one. But since we’re here… All the Waves plugins show up except for the ReWire. Do I have to install it separately? Or is there a configuration I’m missing?


(Paul Davis) #13

Sorry, despite having worked closely with Waves and having a full set of their plugins, I have no idea what their “ReWire” plugin does or why you’d need to use it when JACK does everything that ReWire does and more. Google shows issues with “missing Waves ReWire” plugins for several other major DAWs, along with various different solutions. Another possibility is that their plugin requires a host that is built to support ReWire - Ardour is not.


(Ishu2296) #14

I’ll look up more info on JACK, hopefully will find something! Thanks!


(276455602) #15

I using the Waves plugins (by waveshells vst) in Ardour5.8 on Windows platform. And they works perfect, almost.
The graphic interface and proformance on aspect of effect and automation is normal, nothing different than operating them in other DAW.


(Bassmint30) #16

ShiRenzhi , where do I put my Waveshell dlls to get them to work with ardour?


(Bassmint30) #17

my bad, silly question :stuck_out_tongue: sorry half asleep


(Mikael Hartzell) #18

You are talking about vendor lock in. Every big company will do everything in their power to lock your data into their proprietary format / service. Then it becomes so expensive and painful to change your software vendor that it is easier to just pay up and stay where you are. That is not a new phenomena, every video tape machine manufacturer locked customer data into their cassette format, microsoft did this with office formats, etc.

That is one reason I ditched Pro Tools and use Ardour at home. If you buy proprietary software be prepared to buy it again and again in the form of “upgrades” or when the old version does not work on new versions of operating systems. That is just the cost of doing business in the commercial world.

Just choose only software that has a free license (if you can) and free yourself from all of the above (and copy protection), or be prepared to pay again and again for the privilege of having your tools working.

Sorry, this begins to get off topic :slight_smile:


(Contact) #19

One example of a company pushing their customers in a very unfair way for the sake of aggressive marketing schemes is a story that happened to me some years back. I was teaching at a production school (which will go unnamed for the sake of this post) where I taught music production using Logic pro, beginning through advanced. I took pride in that job, cared for my student’s success and knew my topic of teaching inside and out. I was well liked by student body and staff alike, and anyone who went there and took my class would come out with a whole new world of ways to use Logic. At some point, the higher ups at the school started talking endorsement deals with Apple. They seemed real hungry for the deal to go through, as would anyone who owns a school I’d imagine… Long story short, I was fired out of nowhere because Apple demanded that a teacher of any logic class should be ‘Logic Pro certified,’ which, ofcourse requires attending a course and completing a series of tests that costs a couple thousand dollars to take. My pay was fair, but not enough to make dropping a couple grand feasible, that is if I was even given the option to begin with. They wanted someone associated and certified directly by Apple right away, so they fired me and gave someone else the job overnight. I never heard from the school again. Now, if your nor convinced that this was unfair, then consider that I have been using Logic Pro since version 3, which if any of you remember was available for Windows, as it was owned by the company that created it originally, emagic from germany. Apple didn’t buy out Logic until version 7. Aside from that, I was formerly an employee at apple where I was often called in as a specialist to teach people (you guessed it) how to use logic. I have knowledge of that program that even current developers may not even be aware of… I built my entire career both in music and education around that program… but low and behold, apple wanted their couple thousand bucks and rolled right over me to get it. I’m all down with respecting developers, but at what point does a developers licensing and marketing strategies become every bit as immoral and infringing on their customers as software any pirate who ever sailed the seven seas could be? At what point does respecting a developer turn into letting them walk allover you and micromanage your career? (Btw, Most music sales are on itunes these days, which apple takes a huge percentage of the money from every artist whos music that they sell. Once again, aggressive marketing and cut throat strategies have made it difficult for other alternarive platforms to compete, so if you are a musician, apple will get you going in and get you coming out, likely making more money off of your work than you and many other artists who buy into their brand… we are paying these people to rip us off. Most people just see Apple as this friendly underdog that makes upscale computers with pleasing aesthetics. When I started deeper down the rabbit hole to see just how terrible and dangerous such a company is, I was mortified. js. )


(Contact) #20

Yea, it is true… companies have been doing this sort of thing forever, but some more aggressively than others. Back in the day of cassette tapes, it made sense to agree on some standard medium, as everything was done on hardware devices which required a medium that physically fit the machine used to play/record. Today, in the digital era, there is already a wide array of standard playback formats and software which is capable playing back multiple formats. Data mediums are flexible and in abundance, making it very easy for any developer to offer features which enable easy interfacing with other programs and formats… This means that ‘vendor locking’ is no longer an efficient solution for practicality sake, but a limitation or added obstacle which is actually designed into the program. It hurts my heart to think about a team of skilled developers sitting around spending time and energy trying to figure out how to take an amazing program like Logic Pro and make it less useful to the world. If I had a nickel for every time my workflow was disrupted or outright hindered for no real good reason other than ‘vendor locking,’ I’d be as rich as the vendors who practice this method of business, which in my opinion is immoral. It’s one thing to vendor lock when you provide a solution that no one else has yet provided… it’s another to intentionally bar people from ease of use for a problem which has had multiple solutions for years…