Hi, I am trying to switch from FLStudio to ardour, as I want to use more open softwere programs. I am doing a project on ardour 7, I have a midi track with an ACE Fluid Synth with a soundfont loaded as an instrument and a phaser (ZynPhaser). I want to start the music with the fluid synth playing with the phaser, and after some moment i want to slowly decrease the phaser volume, but keep the volume of the ACE Fluid Synth untouched, but I did not find any way to change the phaser volume without changing the entire midi track volume, and the ZynPhaser plugin do not have any parameter that will change only itās volume/mix, how do I automate the volume of the phaser only?
Sorry for any inconvenience, but I didnāt understand, is this phaser especificaly that donāt work or there is no way to do it unless the plugin have a dry/wet control? If is possible only with the dry/wet control is there any work arround?
So there are a couple of ways to accomplish this, but short version a wet/dry control is better. These are off the top of my head and I havenāt tested them:
You could probably accomplish this using Pin connections in the track, routing a dry signal past the phaser, then mixing the output of the phase together with the dry signal using a mixer plugin.
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You could route the track to a bus, put the phase on the bus, and then automate the volume fader on the track vs bus to get wet vs dry. This is standard way to handle reverbs etc. but typically I would use a phaser inline so this isnāt typical for me but depending on your needs should work. Would likely still need to automate the source volume some to avoid the dB increase from mixing the two outputs together.
The architecture of FL Studio is completely different to Ardour (as well as most other DAWs). Ardour, like most other DAWs, does not offer āvolume controlā for FX plugins.
thatās totally fine. Iām throttled only by way how things are being explained/answered to new users
simple yes/no is straight answer - and most appreciated (explanation is handy tho). Many people respond like the explanation is more important than direct answer of yers/noā¦
If you mention āmost other dawsā we cannot skip that, some other DAWs offer more flexible approach to these situationsā¦ for example container devices in Bitwig/Ableton Live. (+macros like found in DAWS further)
In Reason you can utilize macros in Reason Combinator - to map vol of fx against dry signal, and make single knob like present in FL - which is then way more powerful than found in FL Studioā¦
Renoise has ādoofersā which can achieve same thing as in Reasonā¦
summary: in all mentioned DAWs you can achieve feature like in FL Studio - and way more flexible than desiredā¦
ā¦after all āotherā DAWs do offer more flexible approachā¦ Itās about our perspective, and choice - for which DAW we look at, and how deep we are familiar with itā¦
I think it is accurate to say that in most of those DAWs, you cannot elegantly or flexibly control the amount of audible processing of a plugin that has no wet/dry control.
Yes, there are some cool ways to do it in some DAWs, and maybe one day one or more of those ideas will show up in Ardour.
Thank you very much! It helped me to understand Ardour a little more, I was getting hopeless already. I tested both and they worked, indeed a needs little of work (Iāll search some more plugins that may have the dry/wet control), but I hope ardour gets this functionality in the future, but Iām liking it so far. And again, Thank you very much.
Apologies FoxCheeze, I never made it to that lunch break investigation earlier. On looking now though, I reckon the GxPhaser (LV2, from Guitarix) would do the trick. Has dry/wet control than can be automated.
Thank you for de tip! As Iām a new user I donāt know many plugins yet, so it is always good to find new ones! But I also wanted to know if there was any way to do these automations for other plugins without that kind of controls, it is good for the community to have those discussions, so the beginners like me can get more knowledge about the softwere, mainly when Fl is so popular and a lot of people try to migrate from it to ardour. Also no need to worry if you didnāt have time before, just the will to help some stranger on internet makes me grateful!
In principle, yes, however, taking it far: Ardour could have a ādummy modeā, too. The clown in Micky Dees is there for a reason, I guess. Rowland, Rah-naldā¦
āThe problem with DAWs is this: no individual DAW user uses that many features, but every feature they use is critical to them, and every DAW user uses a different set of features. That means that if you want to have a lot of users, you have to have a really large number of featuresā.
