Ardour Development Update


(Fathom Story) #42

I write that because Ardour is so important to some of us and that updated version of FFMPEG would be useful, among other things. As more use the software, some come to rely on it. That is the consequence of making something useful and important.


(Paul Davis) #43

After 5.12 came out, we decided to embark on several “architectural” or “deep” changes that would support future functionality that everyone wants to see. We did not anticipate that it would take as long as it has to get these changes done. This is as frustrating for us (as developers) as it is for users. I would much rather be working on new features, workflow improvements and bug fixes that people can actually see and use than internal design stuff, but unfortunately one can’t happen without the other one happening first.


(Fathom Story) #44

You discover how important something is, when it is away. We miss Ardour.


(Windowsrefund) #45

With all due respect, I can’t see how anyone uses 5.12 for any serious MIDI work. There are so many bugs and features that are missing. I’m guessing things are much better if you’re strictly working with audio. In the meantime, I’m forcing myself to get my MIDI work done using MuSE (which has it’s own issues). I’m not going to go through all the issues as I have to believe they are known. Just asking us to be honest here when we say things like “Ardour 5.12 is quite robust and there should be no need to update…”


(Robin Gareus) #46

Does it crash by itself?

given that OP mentioned FFMPEG, I assume he’s working on soundtracks, not doing MIDI composition.
Ardour MIDI works lacks significantly, but that’s a different story.


(Windowsrefund) #47

Seriously? When does “not crashing” == “robust”?

Why is MIDI treated like a 2nd hand citizen? Seriously, it’s unbelievable to me that Ardour 5.12 in (almost) 2019 can’t hold a candle to Cakewalk 5 in 2000 as far as MIDI is concerned. I probably wouldn’t have even chimed in at all but it’s a bit obnoxious to call Ardour “robust” when the original poster was simply wondering why there have been no enhancements and/or fixes released in a year.


(Robin Gareus) #48

A system or program is robust if you cannot easily break it and when it offers fault tolerance to some extent. Also if you rely on a tool for crucial work, I highly recommend to not touch a running system.

Cakewalk started out as sequencer, while Ardour’s background is hard-disk-recording.


(Windowsrefund) #49

I’m made my points and will continue using MusE (like so many other people) when I need to work with MIDI. Maybe one day, Ardour will deliver on its touted features and really turn into something “robust”.


(calimerox) #50

@ windowsrefund don´t really understand this imo unproductive picking on adjectives, Ardour and Mixbus is very robust and i do almost all my work with it with no complains. But yes midi is an issue. That doesnt mean the whole DAW is not robust. As robin pointed out midi is pretty new in the evolution of ardour and for me also very promising . As for example: video editing is new to reaper and it s far from complete. this doesnt mean the whole program is “not robust”. In your specific case I would just stick with MusE and or use bitwig for midi or one of the thousand other options for midi workflows.


(Windowsrefund) #51

calimerox, I agree completely and again, wouldn’t have even chimed in on this thread had the developers not responded in the way they did to a very reasonable question.


(Lacojim) #52

I know the Ardour team originally went to work with the music-time and transport-logic as major reasons for this v6 rewrite. Personally, as a Mixbus user, I think you should wait until it’s fully ready instead of releasing a interim release. Mixbus 5.x has some great new features, as does Ardour 5.12. However, Mixbus 5.x seems more like a release to just appease folks wanting a feature update, which we did get some clever new features such as saving out mix presets.


(Speakk) #53

I use Ardour for Midi stuff. Yes, it’s a pain in the arse, but that is literally one of the things being worked on right now by the dev team. Once all this internal stuff is out of the way, getting midi working a lot better will be a lot easier. Did Midi stuff get worse since you started using Ardour? If not, why did you settle on Ardour if it doesn’t fit your needs in the first place? There’s a million alternatives out there.

Just be patient. A year is nothing, you can already make music as it is. (use other software if you need to, the point is there’s no reason to put pressure on the dev team, they’re making a major overhaul, and it’s only been a year since the last major release).

If this all about the use of the word “robust”, well, maybe there are better things to argue about?