Unless the Pipewire-ALSA module lies about its hardware status 
Just checked out the nightly. The lower pane looks very promising to bring effect racks in some future version! Really hope this is going to happen someday. 
Very nice to have all those options to change regions in there and RegionFX is amazing!
Can’t wait to see how ardour 9 will be when its released! You guys do amazing work! Keep it up!
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I agree, the pane looks very promising. I can’t wait to see how it will work in the final version. But for now, it looks like a project in its early stages. You cannot resize this pane, change plugins order, MIDI editor has some bugs - if you edit velocity and press for example pitch bender, the lower pane gets stuck so you can’t uncheck any of them. Can’t wait for the final version, but there is still a lot to do. 
This is certainly a step in the right direction.
There are currently no plans to make it resizable for the Editor. Eventually it should be a fixed height when visible, regardless of content.
When you hide the editor/mixer (Shift +E), a small processor box shows up in the bottom pane which allows one to re-order plugins. Dragging the Fx boxes themselves is not really an option since only processors with controls show up there.
I expect a lot of the detailed work (allow a user to pick which controls of a plugin to show at the top) will come after 9.0; the bigger remaining issues are indeed MIDI pianoroll related.
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I’m surprised to see that there’s still no mention of ARA support on this list.
ARA support is not planned for 9.0. It may or may not happen, but since it’s only relevant for very few plugins it is not very high priority.
I don’t think it’s about how many plugins the feature is actually available for but rather, the importance of the function the feature performs if it were supported. Manual pitch correction eg Melodyne cannot be overlooked in this day and age. So also are the usefulness of the other plugins that need this feature to integrate more seamlessly.
Before anybody replies to me talking about how good and perfect recordings were made in the history of music before the advent of this technology, I’d like to ask any such person this question…why do you make music on a computer? Because historically speaking, some if not most of the greatest songs in history were made on tape desks and/or consoles. No computers involved and by your own logic, that’s exactly what you’re supposed to still be using. If you’re not doing that, then you should please not mention music history to me here on this topic.
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This is incorrect and/or wrong.
Surely, it would be wrong or incorrect because it opposes your point of view. However, Bob Marley’s albums were not recorded on computers, Jimmy Reeves albums was not recorded on computers, Boney M albums were not recorded on computers, The Jackson Five albums were not recorded on computers, ABBA albums were not recorded on computers, Jimmy Hendrix and also, The Beatles were not recorded on computers and the list goes on.
So, having these as reference points, which part of my statement is wrong or incorrect? Is it the part that they were not recorded on computers, or are you saying they were or are not great recordings in music history? Please clarify as I’d love to learn from you.
What matters about the tape/console workflow is the workflow, not the technology. You can still do that workflow with computers if you wish, or you use very different workflows. It’s not computers vs. tape+desk, it’s “record great performances” versus “create music bit by bit, which might (or might not) end up as great”. Both are valid, but that’s the tension, not the underlying technologies being used.
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Melodyne works just fine without ARA, you just have to play though the song once.
From user testing most don’t mind this, and the only request we got was that moving the playhead in Melodyne does not locate Ardour’s (only the other way around).
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Have you seen the price of good tape lately?! 
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I would really like to see a solid tool like Melodyne developed for Linux — ideally one that could also integrate into Ardour. It’s unfortunate when the absence of a single plugin, such as Melodyne, becomes a limiting factor that prevents certain parts of the production process from being done properly. While ARA support would certainly be welcome, it’s not an absolute requirement. Hopefully, someone will take on the challenge and create such a tool at some point. In fact, this isn’t Ardour’s fault at all — the world itself is simply imperfect.
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I like it 
This is why I prefer using Ardour over Reaper so far ( I also like Reaper but for other reasons and so I use it less): it’s “the workflow”, a proposition that reminds us that developers are users of music creation tools and not simply users of plugins.
When I see in the development of version 9 through the different alpha versions how difficult it is to update the piano roll, it would be a big mistake to have to concentrate on ONE trendy style of plugin, which is - for me - much more a production tool than a more general creation tool.
So, congratulations to the developers for this difficult work.
We can’t wait to see version 9.
Despite our impatience, please take your time to release a beautiful version.
and vice versa ?
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As a side note, one can wonder: why bother with pitch correction ? If you sing good, then that seems unnecessary. On the other hand, if one sings bad, then maybe he/she should practice some more ? I never used melodyne but I heard that some people use it for introducing interesting effects to the voice track. But when it comes to pitch correction, I do find the concept a little odd: if I were to record a guitar solo and missed a few notes, I would rather re-record rather than have a plugin fix my bad playing (?) But that’s just my opinion as a musician who keeps practicing his instruments and voice to improve over time. Maybe one day, I will see a need for this plugin, who knows ? but if it’s to correct my bad singing, I’d rather practice to get better (of course, it’s my POV as an amateur who does not record and mix other musicians against a fee).
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This may have something to do with real people and their real performance in real life. If you are rich enough to turn down a project because the singer messes up, good for you. Others may not be as fortunate.
A poor man’s Melodyne has been available for quite some time with x42 Auto Tune. I hear there’s some new, better algo coming from Fons.
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For the individual pitching of transients, could use a pitch shifter like rubberband and have an automation lane on the cents parameter. More of a manual way to do it.
There is also a kind of Melodyne-wannabe project called MXTune, but according to GitHub Insights, development stalled in 2023.
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It also has to do with there isn’t always the option.
First and Foremost I would rather work with a vocalist to get the correct performance. As Paul said above, those albums are about capturing amazing performances first and foremost (In that case that also included the mixer as well, live mixers know this to well) and you have to start there. I would rather take the time to get the performance right first.
But in some cases that isn’t an option. For instance I have sessions recording of my father singing and playing guitar I recorded about 2 years ago now. In that time frame has had some massive medical issues and now may not be able to play the guitar even like he did two years ago, much less sing at the same time, and even two years ago is nothing compared to my memory of what he used to do (Rose-tinted glasses and all). I am lucky he is still with me, but the general thing there is, what are my options in this case, and I have decided I am going to work on trying to get that recording together into something that reflects my memory, rather than the performance, for my family’s enjoyment. So in that case some pitch correction will be needed (Though I am not at all worried about it being perfect, the imperfections are part of my memory as well). I may go back and attempt to capture another session sometime if I can, but it is doubtful I will be able to, this may be my only option.
Always capture the performance first and foremost, but the tools are available to help us along the way as well. Just don’t depend on the tools in lieu of a great performance and putting in the work to get there.
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In the real world, where engineers work professionally with artists, pitch correction is mandatory and should, in my opinion, be an integrated part of the DAW.
I also mainly work with singers who “do it right” by singing several takes and punching in parts if needed and possible. However, sometimes, good pitch correction is required, and Melodyne has to be fired up. Pitch correction is not only for vocals; as an example, saxophones can be ridiculously out of tune.
One does not have to like it, be it a developer or an old school engineer, or a musician, but I will, without having any scientific proof for what I say, claim that the ability to do pitch correction at the fingertips is necessary for almost any professional engineer when needed. And doing it flawlessly in a DAW is always a good thing.
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