Advice: Reverb for classical music

I can find more o less a nice reverb, for the moment the best for me is Dragonfly, but I find that they are not really top reverbs they are a bit unnatural.

Try turning the modulation down in Dragonfly Hall, to somewhere around 0 to 10 percent. Some people love the warble/flutter, others hate it. If none of the free reverbs work for you, buy Valhalla and get it working with Carla’s win vst bridge.

This should work for now:

https://web.archive.org/web/20190201211631/http://www.samplicity.com/bricasti-m7-impulse-responses/

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Yes, working!!

I used the https://x42-plugins.com/x42/x42-convolver, very simple but better sound than LSP.
I can’t compile the other plugin.

These wav files sound great, much better, more realistic…

I have a doubt: I recorded the music in stereo, two mics. Briscati M7 has have 3 files, L, R and M to S. I did a stereo bus for the reverb. Which file should I use?

You should use the quad files if possible. Still stereo but more realistic processing of original audio. I think you can combine the L and R to work as a quad too (for plugins that don’t accept quad files).

And another surprisingly good algorithmic reverb that I’d forgotten about is the one included in Harrison’s Essentials Bundle. GVerb+ I think it is called. I have used it no problems on various live choir concert recordings to sweeten the space. Just thinking about the name, it is some kind of enhancement of the open source GVerb?

With regards another Convolution plugin, try Klangfalter available here: https://distrho.sourceforge.io/ports.php

I happily use both Convo.lv2 (x42) and the Klangfalter one however at this point Convo.lv2 seems to have become my go-to in Linux world.

Also on that ports page is a great LUFS meter (I upgraded to the multimeter https://www.klangfreund.com/multimeter/) but, again, x42 loudness meters are hard to beat. And for $30 more, you get all the nice BBC VU needle-meter stuff too.

The Briscati wav files do not contain any quad.
How can I combine L and R to get the stereo with LV2 Convolution? Briscati does contain M to S files, those don’t work?

Klangfalter plugins don’t work in my system, MXLinux. Maybe I need something more updated.

IIRC it is the GVerb algorithm, just a nicer UI.

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Yes, it works better, but I think the result obtained with the wav and LV2 Convolution files is much better.

The Bricasti files do have quad options. You need to download one of the other links on the page. There are two quad options – 44.1k and 48k – depending on whether you are doing pure music or video work. Here’s the 44.1k one: https://web.archive.org/web/20190201211631/http://173.255.214.63/m7lib/Samplicity%20M7%20Main%20-%2003%20-%20Wave%20Quad%20files,%2032%20bit,%2044.1%20Khz,%20v1.1.zip

I’m running MXLinux and AntiX (the best audio platform I’ve come across!) and Klangfalter works just fine. Have you enabled the usual repos like KXStudio etc? With both those distros I started with the default ISOs and added everything I needed through repos and individual debs. The only plugin I’ve ever had to compile by hand was noise-repellent and it was totally worth it. At this point the only product I’m missing for professional classical music work is a good spectral editor and I’m afraid the newer Audacity spectral stuff just isn’t in the same league as RX both in quality and workflow (while admitting that for all other audio tasks when you don’t want to fire up a DAW it is amazing).

Thank you very much, bachstudies!! working!! Now I listen the stereo… I find the Vienna archive especially beautiful!!! :smiley:

I haven’t added any other repository.
Which ones do you advise me to add?
What do you install from those repositories? Everything? Ardour too? Can’t make the system unstable?

In my experience, the system won’t get unstable as long as you stick to the usual audio repos. As I said, try the KXStudio ones for a start: https://kx.studio/Repositories. I will look later to see which others I added. If the various respos have updated apps and plugins they will show up in your update manager automatically or when you run sudo apt update. And for things to install, use something like Synaptic and filter just the audio repos to browse. I have a list of favorite apps that I will also share later too. One that I use quite a lot that I download separately direct from the website is Loudmax as it includes various latest features like intersample peak limiting option but as Robin Gareus pointed out in a different thread, you could just use his x42-dpl and have Ardour’s loudness feature calculate things in export to ensure you get to your -1dB true peak or whatever you use.

I haven’t seen anyone mentioning buses and multiple plugins. I tend to get a better result with reverbs if I put them on stereo buses, add sends on the audio tracks and leave them dry (except for eqs or whatever). You can even put a couple of reverbs with different settings inline and maybe use two or three stereo buses in parallel, make one 100% wide and the next 75% and so on. Maybe eq them a bit different. Just make sure you set the last reverb in each chain to 100% wet. It’s a bit of hack, but it will give you a much more complex and pleasant sounding reverb. In the end I usually group the buses and adjust reverb level with the faders. This makes a/b listening really easy. Just hit “mute” on the stereo reverb bus group to hear the dry track.

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Thank you Red_Shed, I listened something similar but I don’t know very well how to do.
Can you share a tutorial, or better… :wink: a basic Ardour file with this configuration?

Anyway I only use a stereo bus for the reverb. I have two tracks, one for each mic that I send to the stereo reverb bus.

I have installed the LoudMax Stereo by Thomas Moundt, is this a similar plugin?

Yes that’s the one! I normally use it as a last catch-all when I’m aiming for a particular LUFS level and there are the occasional pesky percussion hits that want to rise about -1dB. We are talking limiting 1 or 2 dB and Loudmax sounds very transparent for this. For sustained singing or similar that rides the ceiling for too long, I find that most limiters can’t keep great transparency (the best I’ve found is Flux Elixir using multiple stages) so at that point I use some very gentle compression with low threshold and re-calibrate. More recently I’ve been looking at the loudness range meters from the moment I import the files so I’ll quickly get a sense of whether compression will be necessary.

Agreed! I love using this method with Mixbus and have replicated in my other DAWs too. However, for simple projects I often keep the reverb on the track and just dial in the percentage between wet and dry. I have a gain slider and “adjust to” button via the Multimeter plugin I end up using to measure loudness so it’s easy to hit the desired LUFS level again.

This sounds very interesting and extremely intricate. I’m not doubting that it makes a lovely reverb tail but seems overkill given plugins like Phoenixverb/Nimbus, Seventh Heaven, Verberate, Bricasti IRs etc. I don’t think I’ve ever desired anything more complicated/rich than one instance of one of these but you’ve certainly piqued my interest :slight_smile:

Apparently KX repos have been updated and are now compatible with Buster, not Stretch. I use MX18.3 them I will have to wait MX19… :frowning:

Yes, I tried Loudmax and it is a great discovery!! Thanks you one more time, bach studies!!